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Kulebrilla · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 15:44:16

2 kilos a la comora en el 20

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Al Gonzalez · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 16:06:29

Lo que hemos aprendido en 2 semanas. Esto ha sido un curso acelerado de bolsa impagable. Yo tuve bastante mala suerte hoy. Dejé una venta limitada a 0.40 que no entró obviamente, era bastante optimista. Y luego deje una compra limitada a 0.13 y la subasta va y abre a 1.1312 o así. Los que vendieron hoy a mercado en la apertura ha sido una cagada. Los que especularon a 0.60 otra, aunque es verdad que cambiar la fecha de entrada de las acciones nuevas ha sido una jugada sucia. Pienso que entre 0.20 y 0.30 se puede quedar de momento, en algún sitio. Ese fue el valor de las viejas muchos días cuando cotizaban los derechos y tiene bastante sentido que estabilice por ahí...

Jacks · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 16:38:59

Aquí de intentar una entrada sería lo más cerca de 0,05 cualquier otra cosa es una locura....

luma · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 16:54:19

pues yo he entrado esta mañana a 0,17 , a parte de los derechos que llevaba y las he vendido a 0,198 ra--tatan--tatan

kostarof · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 17:00:15

bueno ahí viendo ese volumen que lleva

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fmatey · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 17:19:24

De momento más de 246 millones negociadas...

Torrente · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 17:42:27

No me ha dado tiempo a ver el cierre, pero bueno, por encima de 0,18 a cierre dentro, que para eso las llevo a 0,135

fmatey · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 17:47:50

Yo las llevo vía derechos. He estado a punto de salirme pero al final es más difícil salir ganado que perdiendo... sigo dentro... a ver mañana... que sustos nos deparará?? Próximamente en sus pantallas..

Suerte a los que las lleven!!!! bueno y a los que no las lleven también

kostarof · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 17:59:40

bueno alucinante viendo que al final se ha negociado más del 50% de la compañía ahí es nada..... habría que buscar en la hemeroteca para encontrar algo igual

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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]9.377.901[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]15.612.503[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]7.458.168[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]5.206.113[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]4.811.422[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.579.582[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]3.138.647[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.263.788[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]POPULAR BOLSA S.V.B. S.A ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]5.142.941[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]3.770.567[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]IBERCAJA BANCO, S.A.U. ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.226.762[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.406.814[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]436.380[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.804.621[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]836.147[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]DBS MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]DEUTSCHE BANK A.G. ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]952.671[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]164.668[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BANCO DE SABADELL,S.A. ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.711.957[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]945.817[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CAJA LABORAL POPULAR COOPERATIVA DE CRÉD...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]653.368[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]994.938[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]341.570[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BIN MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BANCO INVERSIS, S.A. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]648.458[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.928.750[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.280.292[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MLC MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MERRILL LYNCH CAPITAL MARKETS ESPAÑA ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]467.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.600.548[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.133.548[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]FND MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]FINANDUERO ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]316.460[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]794.775[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]478.315[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BYM MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BENITO Y MOJARDIN ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]288.375[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]309.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]20.625[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]LNK MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]LINK SECURITIES ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]164.430[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]4.203.741[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]4.039.311[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BEKA FINANCE S.V., S.A. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]154.838[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]494.453[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]339.615[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BRC MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BARCLAYS CAPITAL SECURITIES LIMITED ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]54.500[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]232.264[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]177.764[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]EDL BA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]EURODEAL AGENCIA DE VALORES,S.A. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]25.500[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]43.500[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]18.000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]RYG BA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BANCO ALCALA, S.A. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]10.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]10.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BCY MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]8.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]8.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]IMV MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]INTERMONEY VALORES S.V.B., S.A ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]5.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]5.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BSN BA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]B.S.C.H. BOLSA S.A. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CMF MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CM CAPITAL MARKETS ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.500[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.500[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GPM MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GESTION DE PATRIMONIOS MOBILIARIOS ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]700[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]700[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GPM BA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GESTION DE PATRIMONIOS MOBILIARIOS A.V. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]21.297.906[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]21.297.906[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BSN VL[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]B.S.C.H. BOLSA S.A. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]12.935[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]12.935[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MAG BI[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MERCAGENTES ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-7.700[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]7.700[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]ACF VL[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]0[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]55.000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GEF MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GEFONSA, S.A., A.V. ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]35.000[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]141.500[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CAI BI[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CAJA DE AHORROS Y PENSIONES DE BARCELONA...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]507.942[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]617.070[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GGV MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GVC GAESCO VALORES ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-146.520[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.142.432[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.288.952[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CMD BA[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]424.900[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]606.441[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MBC MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]M&B CAPITAL ADVISERS SPAIN AV S.A. ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]12.507.965[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.771.860[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MORGAN STANLEY, SOCIEDAD DE VALORES, S.A...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]15.939.200[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MGV MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MERCADOS Y GESTIÓN DE VALORES ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]20.000[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MVR MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]MERCAVALOR, SOCIEDAD DE VALORES, S.A ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-602.917[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]29.321.258[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]29.924.175[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BBVA MA[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-632.910[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]155.660[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]788.570[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]UBS MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]UBS LIMITED ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-949.634[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]464.500[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.414.134[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]RT4 MA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]RENTA4 ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-1.177.505[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]35.025.110[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]36.202.615[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BCO FIN INV ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-1.761.835[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]4.303.201[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]6.065.036[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]SGA MA[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]4.209.053[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]7.199.218[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CMF BA[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-4.339.260[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]1.822.973[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]6.162.233[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
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[TD=class: Cell, align: left]CAJA DE AHORROS Y PENSIONES DE BARCELONA...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]2.278.063[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]6.748.205[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]AUR BA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]AURIGA GLOBAL INVESTORS, S.V, S.A. ...[/TD]
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[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]19.144.671[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]24.263.362[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]BSN BI[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]B.S.C.H. BOLSA S.A. ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-5.570.720[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]125.800[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]5.696.520[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GGV BA[/TD]
[TD=class: Cell, align: left]GVC GAESCO VALORES ...[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]-5.585.545[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]18.624.190[/TD]
[TD=class: CellNegBrokerValue]24.209.735[/TD]
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[TR]
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[TR]
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[TR]
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[TD=width: 304][TABLE=width: 100%]
[TR]
[TD]254.663.495[/TD]
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[/TABLE]
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[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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oceanos · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 18:05:42

Pues hay demanda para entrar en la cotizada:

HR recién comunicado:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]10828[/ATTACH]

fmatey · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 18:08:43

O_o

Esto es "habitual"?? Vosotros que tenéis mucho más bagaje que yo...

thon · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 18:12:19

Cita de: thon;271349En mis calculos pensaba que dejarian la accion vieja sobre 0,15-0,20€ pero no pongo la mano el el fuego por nada.

Casi lo clavo el dia 2/06/15, al final fue 0,131€. Viendo los compradores me puedo hacer una idea de lo que puede ir sucediendo en próximos dias asi que que si no cambia el panorama el thon se queda dentro. (eso si le voy sacando un pico largo despues de acudir a la ampliacion y eso es como ver los toros desde la barrera...)

Torrente · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 18:14:06

Cita de: oceanos;274262Pues hay demanda para entrar en la cotizada:

HR recién comunicado:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]10828[/ATTACH]

Cómo les gusta estrujar la esponja, vaya panda de mafiosos

somontano · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 18:28:44

Cita de: fmatey;274263O_o

Esto es "habitual"?? Vosotros que tenéis mucho más bagaje que yo...

No, para nada es normal.
Esta se la tenian guardada ya desde hace dias. Con la buena acogida que ha tenido la ampliacion quieren rebañar un poquito mas el plato.
Igual de aqui un tiempo hablaremos de "hacer un amper" como referecia a una ampliacion loca, rebuscada y maquiabelica.

somontano · 17 de Junio del 2015 a las 18:31:11

Cita de: Torrente;274267Cómo les gusta estrujar la esponja, vaya panda de mafiosos

Avaricia Torrente, avaricia pura.
Ya veremos como cojea estos dias. A los mafiosos es mejor no llevarles la contraria (a no ser que tengas algo que les pueda tumbar)

AMPER

Al Gonzalez

luma

Torrente

Torrente